I'm technically still in...and I didn't believe the picture was actually from the WT. I thought it was made up by Outlaw. 😳 I checked it and am flabbergasted that this was really taken from the WT. What's wrong with the suit?!
Rather Be the Hammer
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Tight Pants
by pixel intoday is friday.
so let's see something refreshing on the new june 2016 study wt.
tight pants!.
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WT March 15, 2016 - Kids pressured toward baptism again
by Designer Stubble inthe study wt of march 2016 is up on jw.org and is the standard article around this time of year...pressuring young kids to dedicate their lives to the organization again.
this wt will be studied during may, so just in time to pressure them into baptism at the regional conventions this summer.such articles really upset me, as the realization of how many young promising lives will be destroyed.
how many families will be broken up, when the child who got baptized as a minor (ages 6 and up are mentioned in the literature) decides as a young adult that his/her conscience no longer allows him/her to be part of such a destructive cult.
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@ sugar shane.
When I learned ttatt ten years ago my children were 12 and 8 years old. My VERY JW husband and I had a rough time for quite a while. One thing that I thought to be very important to have an agreement on was to NOT push the children (or have any elder push them or ask them or whatever) towards baptism before the age of 18. (I figured by then they would be wise enough to choose otherwise.)
I told him that Jesus was 30 when he got baptised, so there was no 'biblical' reason to hurry. That, and the fact that we had seen so many young people being baptised only to be disfellowshipped later, and the pain their parents live in, was enough to convince him that baptism should not be hurried.
Both children are not (and will not be) baptized as far as I can see. They are 22 and almost 18, and indeed they know better now. :-)
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Omg New Borg Kingdumb Song, they went all Lion King theme Lol
by MrsR-Awaken inthe borg is turning into a disney music making machine check out their new kingdumb song (caution it might make your ears bleed).
https://youtu.be/goj1vbvqvhq.
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What really scares me is song 146. (Also on youtube with lyrics)
first line something about 'anointed heavenly bride'
chorus:
if you comforted them
you comforted me
if you did it for them
you did it for me
your labour for them
is labour for me
if you did it for them
you did it for me
you did it for them
you did it for me
I think the r&f will understand this as: 'do everything the faithfull slave* says, because you do it for Jesus himself'
That chorus will be song three times. Brainwashing, anyone?
*I think the r&f still don't get that 'the anointed' is not the FDS anymore.
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God & universe #1 - God's position and authority
by Anders Andersen inwhile thinking about the nature of god, i suddenly thought of something else: how jw speak about god in relation to the universe.. they say that.
jehovah created the universe.
destroying satan and answering the questions that were raised in eden will restore peace and unity in the whole universe.. .
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The more I think about it, the God as a spiritual person living in a spiritual place really doesn't make sense (even less than gods in general )
Just to be clear: thats not what JW believe. They believe in a spiritual god living in a specific real place. (see article I quoted)
But maybe that's new light from after you left. 😜
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God & universe #1 - God's position and authority
by Anders Andersen inwhile thinking about the nature of god, i suddenly thought of something else: how jw speak about god in relation to the universe.. they say that.
jehovah created the universe.
destroying satan and answering the questions that were raised in eden will restore peace and unity in the whole universe.. .
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Also, If God is (around the earth) in the universe, what with all the satellites and space debris?
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God & universe #1 - God's position and authority
by Anders Andersen inwhile thinking about the nature of god, i suddenly thought of something else: how jw speak about god in relation to the universe.. they say that.
jehovah created the universe.
destroying satan and answering the questions that were raised in eden will restore peace and unity in the whole universe.. .
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Rather Be the Hammer
It may be a little beside your exact question, but I had a little discussion about something like this with my husband a few days ago.
He read this:
Does God Live in a Specific Location?
The Bible’s answer
Yes. God lives in a specific place—the heavens. Consider these Bible passages:
In a prayer, King Solomon said: “May you yourself listen from the heavens, your established place of dwelling.”—1 Kings 8:43.
Jesus Christ taught his disciples to address their prayers to their “Father in the heavens.”—Matthew 6:9.
After Jesus was resurrected, he entered “into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God.”—Hebrews 9:24.
Those verses clearly indicate that Jehovah God is a real person and that he dwells, not everywhere, but only in heaven.
My understanding is, that 'heaven' can mean: spiritual place. Or: invisible.
So 'god and angels are in heaven' then would mean 'they are not material beings, but ghostlike spirits and/or invisible'. Like how JW understand the Bibleverse about 'new heavens and new earth"; it doesn't mean a real 'new heaven' and a literally 'new earth'. When Jesus went to heaven, he became invisible for people.
So my husband said: no, you're wrong, God lives in one place, that's what the Bible says.(well that's what he read on jw.org, he doesn't really know what the Bible says.)
But if God does live in a specific location, that must be a place. A place you can point at. A place you can find somewhere. A place you can travel to. Otherwise it's not a place, right?
If 'heaven' means a place you can point at, would that be that something like the sky? (yes, he said) But the sky, where? The sky above Europe? The sky above Australia?
No, my husband said. God is in the universe.
So the 'one place' is now 'the universe'. (And like you wrote; if God is IN the universe he created, that would be weird. Where did he live before?)
But If god is all around the earth (and not just in one place in the heaven/sky), and in the universe, that would mean he is everywhere, aka omnipresent. Something JW deny.
So I think they painted themselves in a corner.
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Met the new CO (correction officer) this week
by truth doubter injust want to share my take on the new circuit overseers visit.
first impression, he's a control freak.
he got up several times to correct the servants on lights, sound and speaker stand positioning.
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Sounds like the exact things 'our' CO spoke about. No higher Education. And everything in this world is an illusion.
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Quality of JW teaching from elders
by sir82 inthere was a recent thread on the "quality" of converts to jws in recent years.
it wasn't a pretty picture, based on the thread contents.. well, the lack of depth isn't restricted to new converts.. in our clam this week, one of the principal points for review was this:.
ne 1:1; 2:1—why can we conclude that “the 20thyear” mentioned at nehemiah 1:1 and 2:1 is countedfrom the same starting point?
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@Doctor Who
Timey Wimey stuff... Weeping Angels! Best episode ever. 👍🏻
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Quality of JW teaching from elders
by sir82 inthere was a recent thread on the "quality" of converts to jws in recent years.
it wasn't a pretty picture, based on the thread contents.. well, the lack of depth isn't restricted to new converts.. in our clam this week, one of the principal points for review was this:.
ne 1:1; 2:1—why can we conclude that “the 20thyear” mentioned at nehemiah 1:1 and 2:1 is countedfrom the same starting point?
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We have the CO visiting this week. his talk was about Illusions and how illusionists and the devil act to deceive people. (After one minute or so I realised that he was telling true things if you filled in WTS instead of 'devil'. Create an illusion of truth. Distract people to make the 'impossible' happen when they not look your way. False messages. Big show. Make people believe your story)
Anyway he ended his talk by telling us about Houdini. How everytime he escaped out of being trapped in diffucult positions. Even once he was handcuffed and put in a chest and then burried.
and you know, thats what will happen in he end with the devil. He will be captivated and put in a chest and be buried (rev. 20:2,3).
😳 and then what? Escape like Houdini?
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Perfection
by purplesofa ini was talking to a friend of mine about perfection last night.. he made a comment that there was no way to have perfection, unless you made one thing and set that as perfect.
everything after that would be a copy and otherwise would always in some way fall short of perfect, the original creation.
we were talking about art.. and then he made a comment that god did not create us perfectly.
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I was thinking about perfection too.
JW always say: Adam and Eve were perfect and yet the were mislead by the Devil.
after that they were no longer perfect.
Were the no longer perfect because they made one mistake? What does perfection mean then?
Or was becoming imperfect the punishment for being mislead?
In my opinion, someone who is decieved or mislead, is not guilty, (okay, maybe of being stupid), So why punish them at all?
And then there's the future. JW will grow towards perfection, in 1000 years time. Of course at the end the devil will be around again, and we already know (now!) that thousands of perfect JW in paradise will follow the devil when he will be free again.
So what's the point of being perfect? Will you never make a mistake or a wrong decision anymore? No. You're perfect until you're not perfect anymore.
I don't see the advantage at all.